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A Crashed Sputnik?
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Author:  Tim Chamberlain [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:35 am ]
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An article on a possible crashed Sputnik found in Scotland: ... s-18868646

Author:  stella [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:14 pm ]
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This article is totally unreliable.
No Soviet Sputnik crashed in Scotland in 1962.
The statement "He said: "This was the period before spy satellites and the American U2 spy plane."
is also incorrect, the spy satellite era started with Discoverer 1 in February 1959.

Author:  David Frydman [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:57 pm ]
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The first U2 flight that is recorded is 1955 August 1.
The first overflight of the USSR was supposedly 1956 July 4.
However the British Canberra may be earlier and it flew over the USSR several times and the Migs could not even get near it. I think it was Kruschev who went ballistic over this.
The Migs pegged out from memory at 49,000 ft and the Canberras I think exceeded 60,000 ft and sometimes reached 70,000ft.
In fact there are photos of U2s taken from Canberras with the U2 well below the Canberra.
That is when the USSR had to develop ground to air missiles to counter the threat.
The U.S. SR 71 did not come that much later and these were never caught despite numerous attempts.
They cruised at around 2,100mph or 2,200 mph at around 80,000 ft or higher.
Incidentally I recorded a British V. bomber at 63,000 ft using a stellar micrometer in from memory the late 1950s. It was enormously high and white. I used the 3 inch B.C. Starboy refractor on Mahogony garden tripod.
In addition I think the U.S. B47? 6 engine jet made numerous overflights also, I think in the 1950s.
These were very common also in the U.K. As far as I recall these were not shot down either although one is recorded as making a risky second run to get photos.

Even Spitfires reached from memory 52,000 ft, which is higher than the early Migs ceiling.
I have heard that a Vulcan even climbed to 84,000 ft by the time it had almost run out of fuel, but I don't have proof of this. This was apparently done without approval to see how high it could go.
I also recall seeing the the 10 engined Convair bomber frequently at quite high altitudes.
I used to follow some of these high fliers to a slant distance of about 250 miles with the Starboy.
They were very common in the U.K skies if you bothered to look.

Regards, David

Author:  David Frydman [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:07 pm ]
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The first overflight with the RB 47 six engined U.S. jet was apparently on 1952 October 15.
Although they were shot at they were never shot down due to their speed and height.
So to say in the above report that in 1962 there were no aircraft overflights is quite wrong.

Regards, David

Author:  Davej [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:58 pm ]
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Sputnik must have took a long time re-entering ..some of it was found in the USA too ... :roll:
(including the plastic bits). ... d=14949891


Author:  Tim Chamberlain [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:18 pm ]
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Sounds like this would have made a good Hamish Macbeth plot!!

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