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Author:  brian livesey [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:  What now for US space science?

Now that Americans have voted for a wily new Caesar, in preference to a wily Imperatrix, what now for US astronomy and space research funding?
Donald Trump has made it clear that he intends to apply the economic axe to selected science projects, as part of his intention to reduce the tax burden on the rich, with particular reference to himself:
"Trump will be the first anti-science president we have ever had," said Michael Lubell, of the American Physical Society. "The consequences are going to be very,very, severe."
Trump, of course, doesn't have an entirely free hand. More often than not, the economy tells the politicians what to do, rather than the other way round... .

Author:  Brian [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

With Putin's tanks rolling across Europe we won't have time to think about Space Science anyway :cry:

Author:  David Frydman [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

That is because Britain, Sweden and many other countries have been so short sighted and reduced their military capabilities.

This belief that people and countries are inherently good intentioned ignores history.
When has it ever been so?

If we now pay for this stupidity it is our own fault.

We all need to wake up and wake up fast.

Regards,
David

Author:  brian livesey [ Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

For many scientists and technicians in the USA, jobs preservation will be their main concern rather than the actual work they do. A qualified astrophysicist would balk at the prospect of being reduced to shelf-filling at Walmart. It could happen. During the Great Depression, many a professional worker was reduced to doing menial tasks for a living.
If Trump likely blunders and backtracks his way on economic and social policy, his credibility in the eyes of his electoral supporters could quickly implode to the size of a mini-black hole. As the saying goes, a week is a long time in politics.
Putin doesn't want a war, although from the point of view of sales, it satisfies the armaments industry to pretend that he does. Putin wants to consolidate Russia's recent territorial acquisitions in which they have a great deal of investment, including strategic concerns.

Author:  mike a feist [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:10 am ]
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Quote: "For many scientists and technicians in the USA, jobs preservation will be their main concern rather than the actual work they do. A qualified astrophysicist would balk at the prospect of being reduced to shelf-filling at Walmart. It could happen. During the Great Depression, many a professional worker was reduced to doing menial tasks for a living."

Nearly all my life I have done "menial tasks" to make a living as a wharehouseman in electrial wholesaling, a storerkeeping in an engineering factory and partsman in a garage, (until fairly recently when I was was paid to work at the Foredown Tower, where I now work "for free" as a volunteer since retirement), I would perhaps say "being reduced to doing menial tasks" may be an introduction to the the "real world". regards mike ( I am truely not offended.)

Author:  G Burt [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:37 pm ]
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I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to the Trump orbital casino, the Trump Moon hotel and 'Space Race 2'!

Geoff

Author:  David Frydman [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

I think that Putin plans to occupy the Baltic countries, as a first step to restoring the Soviet empire.
If we are weak, he will do just that.

Looked at the Moon yesterday in Skywatcher 90mm Mak.
Quite good.
Clear sky.

Regards,
David

Author:  Brian [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

"During the Great Depression, many a professional worker was reduced to doing menial tasks for a living."

I remember that, during the late 1970s, we had MSc. graduates washing up laboratory glassware in order to earn a crust, so difficult were recruitment conditions in that period,

Author:  brian livesey [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What now for US space science?

No offence Mike about menial, but essential, tasks. We can survive without astrophysicists, but life would be difficult without shelf-fillers and a million-and-one other routine jobs.
There's a rumour going round that Trump intends to deport every tortilla vendor in America. :lol:

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